because we're looking out for you. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> if you don't set deadlines in this town, things don't happen. >> the president tees it up. >> it's better to have a product that if -- is based on quality and thoughtfulness rather than jamming something through. sean: prince harry slaps him down. why was tim geithner missing in action when lehman brothers crumble. >> the cambridge police acted stupidly. [siren] >> the president pick as fight with the cops. >> what really happened to her is a rather dark story. sean: conspiracy month continues as wee we investigate the serious death of marilyn monroe. all of that plus our great, great american panel. hadn't starts right now. >> for years we have heard president obama vowg that health
care reform would be passed before the recess. now he has informed will not meet that deadline. at an event in cleveland, ohio yesterday president obama was forced to inform the croid that yet another one of his promises would, in fact, beel broken. >> we just heard today that we may not be able to get the bill out of the senate by the end of august or the beginning of august that's ok. i just want people to keep on working. sean: they are not going to be working. they are going to be on recess. despite the fact that his own party controls both houses of congress and the white house, president obama is blaming republicans for his failed plan. >> another republican senator said that defeating health care reform is about breaking me. the republican party chair seeking to stall our efforts recently went so far as to say that health insurance reform was happening too soon. sean: all right. here to respond is former speaker of the house fox news contributor and the author of
"real change" available in paperback, which has been updated to include the obama presidency. newt gingrich is with us. mr. speaker, good to see you. >> it's good to be with you. sean: all right. there is no specifics, no plan, no real way how to pay for it. president even admitted before the press conference a day before he hadn't read the bill. and, yet, he goes out before the american people. how do you assess how this has been handled from the beginning? >> >> i think it's a very disappointing part of how is he really throwing away the opportunity he had. he was elected on the idea of change you can believe. in he was elected on being beyond partisan politics. he was elected on trying to bring people together. and then you end up on this kind of petty partisan blaming when, in fact, what's happened is pretty clear. in the house, they tried to write a very liberal bill. speaker pelosi was determined to get as close to national
government-run health care as she could. the result is that the blue dog democrats have rebelled. in the senate now the nine freshman senators, the democratic freshman have all rebelled. you now find out that the senate is not going to move on some kind of forced march. and the next question will be whether or not the house democrats can be bullied by speaker pelosi into a vote they don't want to take at a time when the senate clearly is going to go home and not do anything about it. >> well. >> i don't think the president. sean: go ahead. >> let me just say, i think the president has an enormous opportunity. i concede here that you pegged this right and i was wrong last year, that his radicalism blocks him from using what he said he would like to doing. ehas enormous responsibility to take a deep step back, call on john boehner the republican leader in the house. mitch mcconnell the republican leader in the senate. ask them to join in a bipartisan drafting program over the august
break and see if we could come up with a health bill that did not ration care, did not raise taxes and did not create big government. he won't do that. that's sad. i think he could, in fact, involve the republicans in a bipartisan effort that might actually succeed. sean: i agree with you he won't do it. i don't want to say that i am right, but his rad ding -- radicalism -- you said it for me. i think ise even more radical than i thought. how is that? i didn't understand quite the degree to which although i think i was pretty close. he sounds rather incoherent. it seems that the only thing he knows he wants it done and he wants it done. what is it that he wants done? he wants -- is it that he wants the government running health care? is that what he is looking for? >> you know, you know, callista and i did a movie on ronald reagan calderon day view with destiny. when we did it -- and i have
seen it eight or nine times in showings and premiers. as i watched it i realized a fascinating difference ronald reagan used rhetoric to explain and clarify reality. president obama uses rhetoric to hide from reality. he is very eloquent but when you slow down and you look at his he will against, it doesn't hold together. and the reason is, he can't share candidly with the american people what he is trying to do because his add advisors tell him that in almost every issue now the american people are opposed to what he is trying to do. so if he is honest that it's an energy tax, is he going to lose. if he is honest that it's a huge government-run program he is going to lose. is he still very articulate but he uses the language to actually muddle what people understand. sean: one of the things i noticed the other night is he has broad sweeping generalizations, platitudes, bumper stickers, slogans, fear
mongering, he has that down to a science almost. but there are no specifics about what it is and how it's going ta actually impact the american pele. so it makes me wonder is, it just that he is looking for victory? is he looking to really, in his heart and soul, change america, alter america because it's not the country that he likes and he believes it should be this -- you know -- go ahead. >> i think my daughter jackie cushman is now a syndicated columnist caught it per -- perfectly one day she said we went from change we can believe in to trying to change what we believe. i think this is an administration dedicated to creating a very different america. and an america which has huge government, massive redistribution of resources, and i think it's very dangerous, even to them, because the federal reserve came out last week and said that they expect unemployment to go higher than they did and that they expect
the recovery to create no net new jobs for the next five years. now, i think when the american people begin to realize we could be faced with five years of 8, 9, 10% unemployment. sean: it's frightening. >> they will demand that the president shift his priorities pretty dramatically and focus on job creation and you can only get job creation by cutting taxes on small business. sean: the thing that frightens me is that their predictions and their analysis of the economy and what they promised has been so off base and so wrong i'm really having a hard time struggling as to why anybody would tri trust them or belief that they are going to get this right, which is such a larger percentage of the economy. but do you see as i see change is coming and blame to republicans has begun here when they have both houses and the presidency? >> see, i don't think it is believable. you know, when he got his giant 787 billion-dollar stimulus
package, he began to lose the ability to blame george w. bush. he has now been president for seven months. he is on television every single day. he is telling us all the time how much he is doing. i think he is rapidly losing the ability to blame the republicans for his own failures. we are now projected to have 25% more people out of work than they promised us back in january if only the congress would pass that 787 billion-dollar bill so rapidly that it couldn't be read. now the congress passed the bill the way they asked them to. they have had the money now since february. and now there are going to be 25% more people unemployed than the obama team promised. sean: we're going to take a break. i have got a lot more to get to you especially about the cambridge police issue. more with newt gingrich coming up. plus, who throws a better baseball barack obama or george w. bush? we will let you make the comparison. we have that coming up tonight. conspiracy month. we have a special investigation into the death of marilyn
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president literally said not having been there, not having seen all the facts, and then he goes on to say that the cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting this professor. i've taken the time, and i've read the police reports from the arresting officer and a corroborating report from another officer, and i don't see that these police officers did anything wrong. the president was given the day after. go ahead. >> i was going to say two things, one of which may really surprise you. when i first became speaker, i made a number of big mistakes because i didn't realize that when you're speaker, you're no longer just one of the guys, and you can't just have an idea, and you've got to be pretty careful about what you say. i think this is a good learning opportunity for the president to realize that when he doesn't know something, he shouldn't say anything. eisenhower used to be brilliant at losing the news media confused by refusing to get into
a topic he didn't want to talk about, and the president of the united states has to have the self-discipline to do that, but there's a second part of this that i think president obama will find very hard to do, but it would really help him a lot. this is a mistake. it's not complicated. this was a mistake. h shouldn't have said it. it would be tremendous for the country if the president would just say tomorrow you know, i made a mistake, i shouldn't have said anything, i didn't have the details, i certainly didn't want to hurt anyone, and i'm going to try to learn to be more careful because as president i have that obligation. to see a guy -- because he's still a very young president, he's a very new president still, and the country would actually i think relax a little bit if the president could be comfortable sharing with the country that he'd made a mistake. sean: you actually were pretty introspective in one of your books if i recall the title, lessons learned the hard way. >> yeah, and they were pretty hard too. sean: well, i think i was there for boy's town and a number, the
gingrich that stole christmas i think was the cover of "time" magazine one year, and is it youthful inexperience? i mean he's never been in a position of being an executive. obviously the presidency is a job that very few people can tell you about. >> one of the people that helped me was mike dever. and dever told me one afternoon, he and ken were both trying to coach me in '95 and '96 when i first had become speaker, and he said to me i watched you on a tv show last sunday morning, and i saw you get a question you hadn't thought about, and i watched you develop an answer on the show. he said it was a fine answer, but he said i don't want the speaker of the house as a national leader thinking up policy on national television. if you don't already have a policy on something, back out,
say i need to think about that and check on it, and let people understand you're going to be more careful. i couldn't always live up to that, but i have never forgotten how right mike dever was, and i think it's the same thing for the president. he's not barack obama state senator. he's not even barack obama united states senator. he's not even barack obama democratic nominee. this is the president of the united states whose every word is watched worldwide, and i think that requires a frightening level of that
he's spending too much money, most people think that obama care is a bad idea, so he's losing support. why do you think he's losing it, and what would he need to maybe gain some of that back? >> i think they have two very big problems. both of them very hard to solve. nne first is the economy's really bad. as i said a while ago, the federal reserve now projects higher unemployment than they thought, and they project that we may not create any net new jobs for the next five years. people are not going to tolerate that. this is jimmy carter time. people are going to be very, very upset if this administration doesn't get an effective jobs program, and that means the opposite direction from the energy tax, health tax, big government model that trapped him. the second challenge they have is the one that you kept talking
about all last year where you were right and some of us really underestimated how much you understood this. this is not a radical left country. this country does not want giant government. according to the gallup poll, 40% moderate, 48% liberal, and 22% conservative, so two out of every three democrats is a moderate or a conservative. in the country at large, it's 40% conservative, 35% moderate, and only 21% liberal. sean: all right. those are staggering numbers. he's got a lot to contend with if he keeps staying radical. mr. speaker, thanks for being with us. coming up president obama's infamous first pitch at the all-star game? we're going to take a look back at more of the president's great pitches, and you're going to see who he looks like as he throws the ball.
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sean: and tonight in "hannity's america," democrats are so excited about their universal health care bill, they don't want you to know anything about it. you may remember this chart which we showed you last week. it depicts the complex network of government offices and problems that will be created if the democrats in fact succeed in imposing their health care rationing scheme, but according
to "the hill" newspaper democrats are trying to prevent republicans from mailing this chart to their constituents. now they are invoking a congressional rule that prevents lawmakers from using taxpayer funds to send partisan politicized or personalized news letters. let me see, preventing politicians from communicating with their own constituents? that sounds like the sort of transparency that the democrats promised to bring to washington. believe it or not "the new york times" has called our president out for some of the ridiculous claims that he made at this week's prime time news conference. for example, the president said this. >> that's why the nation's largest organizations representing doctors and nurses have embraced our plan which is why the aarp has endorsed our reform. sean: "the times" points out those are exaggerated, and, quote, a half dozen societies have sharply criticized provisions that would establish
a new government run healt care plan. and then president obama went on to make this claim. >> it's not going to reduce medicare benefits. what it's going to do is to change how those benefits are delivered so that they're more efficient. sean: but "the new york times" reports that that is simply not the case. well you know those had to be some boldface lies in order for the "new york times" to get involved or perhaps the editor was just sick that day. now, it has been almost a year since lehman brothers filed for chapter 11, and lawrence mcdonald, a former vp at lehman, is telling all in a new book, and he's putting some blame on this man, turbo tax cheat tim geithner who at the time was the head of the fed in new york. mcdonald said that at the most critical time point before this collapse geithner was m.i.a. he writes the following.
well can all be sure about one thing. he wasn't filling out his tax return. and much was made of the president's wimpy first pitch a few weeks ago at the all-star game in st. louis. we went back in our archive, and we took a look at past presidential pitches. here's george w. bush throwing out the ceremonial pitch of game three of the 2001 world series. bearing a startling remblance to roger clemens. very nice form. here's president obama. he's looking a whole lot like lauren conrad, the valley girl star of the mtv reality show "the hills." i'm sure you made teenage girls
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sean: and tonight on our "great american panel" he is a fox news contributor based in rome and the author of the promise, father jonathan morris is here, she was the national press secretary for mike huckabee's presidential campaign alice stewart is with us, and he was bill bradley's deputy campaign manager and currently serves on the pastoral church at canen baptist church in harlem, new york, jacques degraff is with us. this has become a huge controversy in the country, so the president is holding the press conference, he's talking about health care, an he's asked about this incident with the harvard professor, and the president who admits he knows nothing about the case goes on to say the police acted stupidly. let's roll the tape. >> i think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry, number two, that the cambridge police acted
stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what i think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of african-americans and latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. sean: first of all, your reaction to this? interestingly we have al sharpton says this is a new low for police, and business cosby saying he had no right to say anything about it. your thoughts? >> that who had -- sean: the president. >> the president -- sean: the president started out -- >> he didn't know all the facts. sean: he says not having been there, not having seen all the facts, why would he say the police acted stupidly? >> because it was his reaction to the facts that are known which were then backed up by the police department because the charges were dropped.
sean: no, i have the police reports right here. >> the charges were dropped. sean: can i finish. it's irrelevant to whether or not that happened. in both police reports they corroborate an any, a belligerent, a confrontational professor. >> in his house. sean: who is not cooperating with the police, after they were responding to help him. >> both of those reports corroborate each other, and they very succinctly outline he engaged in disorderly conduct, they had no choice. at that news conference he should have said professor gates is my friend, i do not know the details, next question. he does it all the time. >> certainly president obama comes from being a community organizer in chicago, has been a witness of racial based injustice, and this was his natural reaction. there must have been injustice here. sean: was it a rush to judgment? >> it was a rush to judgment. he shouldn't have said it. he shouldn't have said it, and he knows he shouldn't have said
it now. sean: now they've doubled down. the next day he was given an opportunity to correct the record. he refused. his spokesman tried to backtrack, but he did so in a very wimpy, weak fashion, and here's the deal. these police officers, jacques, they're putting their life on the line, they were responding to a call to help the owner of this home -- >> they were not putting their life on the line in skip gates' house? sean: you don't know that. >> he was unarmed. sean: did that cop know it when he walked in that house? did that cop know -- >> i can't tell you what somebody else knows. the same police department looked at the same facts and dropped the charges. i want you to answer a question for me. how belligerent -- what kind of threat was an armed policemanws from a 58-year-old man with a cane? what kind of a threat did he represent? sean: first of all the police officer wouldn't know because the police officer went there on the assumption that there was a breaking and entering. he went there on the assumption
that there was a breaking and entering. that's what the call was. he asked the person for i.d. the person was confrontational, combative -- >> he provided i.d. he did not. >> he provided i.d. the reports also say that he identified himself, and he was in his own home. he was with the cab driver who had driven him from the airport. sean: you're defending this behavior. >> skip gates is the victim. >> the neighbor, his own neighbor, his own neighbor even calls in -- his own -- he actually should be thanking the police for coming to the rescue. >> they should be questioning a neighbor who doesn't recognize their neighbor. >> very clearly cool headedness on both sides should have won out, and it was obvious there was belligerent behavior, and that's why he was arrested, not because he was breaking and entering into his own home. at the same time of course i
think now the police would have looked back and said you know what, it probably wasn't the most prudent thing in the world to have arrested him. sean: he's not apologizing. he's saying in these circumstances -- here's what bothers me the most about this. this is the president of the united states rushing to judgment and here without any consideration of how difficult the police officers' job, every time they are called out, every police officer has no idea wha they are facing. and this is a bad example by a harvard professor. >> and he's in the home. the officer's in there, he has no backup, so naturally he brings him out, and the professor -- granted he has fantastic credentials, but he was being disorderly. >> what disorderly thing was he doing? did he yell at a policeman in his house? is that disorderly? a black man cannot yell at somebody in his home? is that dangerous? does that make him a threat because he yelled at a white person.
sean: now you're going to turn this issue. >> it's a racial issue. sean: he made it a racial issue by calling the cop a racist. the cop is the victim of the president. >> he's the victim of his own police department that overruled him because they looked at the same facts that -- sean: she do this all the time. they use prosecutorial discretion, and they just said this does not rise to the issue. >> the police dropped the charges. sean: that has nothing to do with the fact the professor in this case acted in a manner you -- you're a pastor. would you tell your congregants to react that way? >> i would tell them to render unto cesar what is due cesar. sean: well, this professor didn't give it. >> and he didn't get it. sean: he did get it, actually. >> the president did call the police force -- said they acted stupidly.
now he's trying to say he didn't say it. he did say it. >> he didn't say that the policeman was stupid, that the actions were stupid. >> that the cambridge police force acted stupidly. sean: we were alone, but i never really thought we were alone. it all depends on what it means, jacques. the president of the united states -- father, if you do something, shouldn't the president apologize? >> the president doesn't need to apologize, he needs to learn from his mistake. he made a freshman error. he doesn't have to apologize for everything. he's the president of the united states. he didn't offend anybody in a way that's obviously, clearly wrong, but he made a mistake, and he's not going to do that again. he's not going to rush to judgment. sean: next time you don't have to apologize to jesus if you something wrong. >> that's very logical, sean.
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sean: and we continue now with our "great american panel." now, father, what i meant in that last segment when i said -- i want to clarify. i'm a catholic. if i do something wrong, i say jesus, forgive me. >> but you know what, when the president makes a prudential error, he shouldn't have done it. politically it was a bad idea. it's very different. he doesn't need to get up there and apologize. it was a political mistake, he shouldn't have done it, but i don't think it quite gets up there to asking jesus for forgiveness. sean: just tell the cop he's sorry. let me move on. we have the president now he's pushing nationalized health care, no specifics, we don't know what the plan is, i thought he was incoherent the other night, the response is the numbers are tanking on this, now they've had to put this thing off. do you think it's a right -- should it be a right that every person in this country have health care?
>> there is a fundamental human right to basic health care. that's a fundamental human right to be able to get basic health care, but there is no such thing as a fundamental human right to socialized medicine. and what the president is doing is saying there is a woman out there who's got cancer, she can't get basic health care, therefore, i have the moral imperative to bring socialized medicine into our country. that right there is not logical, and it's not a proper use of morairl reasoning. sean: we had our special last night. everywhere socialized medicine, government-run health care has been -- any experiment that's taken place, it has resulted in rationing, inferior care, high cost that exceed expectations, and has failed. why would the president try and rush this through in two weeks when he never read the bill? >> well, because he doesn't want people to find out what's in it. he's saying rush, hurry up, let's not debate it to death
because what that will do is bring it into clarity, and people will understand that it's going to cost too much money, there are -- there's not provisions in place for the people that really need it, and it's not something that the country needs, and he doesn't want people to find out the fine details in it, and that's why he wants to hurry up and do it, but the blue dog democrats are standing up, and they're not going to allow to it happen. sean: i am convinced after the arm twisting of the president and princess pelosi and prince harry, they're going to be somewhat effective. explain to me how the president goes on a hard sell like this, and the day before the press conference he admitted he never read the bill. how do we pass something as massive as this, 20% of our economy, and the president of the united states is selling something he hasn't read? >> the members of congress are debating this as we speak. he understands what he wants, and the concern that we all have
is that there are 50 million americans -- sean: that statistic is proven false. >> 50 million americans who don't have health care. we're concerned that we live in a country that we all would agree is still the country that's the greatest country on earth. surely you should agree that we could provide them with health care. having said that, the question is how do you get there? was he overly ambitious saying he wanted to do that at the same time he did the bailout and the stimulus package? it was clearly too much. >> one of the egregious things that the reverend and i would agree on is one of those fine details that's in this bill is that the obama administration is going to be the one that's going to decide what basic health care includes, and you know what it's going to include? let's say very clear both
senator obama at the time and senator clinton at the time, secretary clinton now, has said basic health care should include reproductive rights, meaning abortion, and let me say beyond that there's no -- there's nothing that's going to exclude euthanasia either. sean: 425 to 430 they talk about counseling to seniors on a regular basis if they are end of life counseling. >> we're going to worry about this later. let's not get distracted with his most recent words on this. let's not get distracted? your money and my money, all of our money is going to pay for basic health care of abortion. sean: let me ask this. we have the best health care system in the world. we have advanced the human condition. we have prolonged life. we've improved the quality of life for people. obama never says a good thing about the health care system. that's why people from canada, france, and great britain come
here is this -- you know, is this a missing facet of this debate that we already have the best health care system in the world? >> well, we do, but we're going to reduce the quality and increase the cost, and this plan that they're proposing, this public option or government run option, they think it's the end all and be all of health care plans. well then why won't the president and members of congress stand up and say well then we'll subject ourselves too. they're exempt from this plan that they think is so fantastic, but they need to be able to say this is so great, and we want it too, but they're not going to do that. sean: it's good to see you. this was sort of like our coming together, our religious version of the "great american panel." guys, good to see you all. to be continued. and coming up was it suicide or was she murdered 50 years later? the cause of marilyn monroe's death is still being debated as conspiracy month continues straight ahead. (announcer) this is nine generations
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sean: now michael jackson passed away just weeks ago and already there's a swarm of controversy surrounding his death. was it suicide? was it accidental? was it intentional? or was it something much worse? was it murder? now nearly 50 years after the fact these are the exact same questions that the world is still asking of another american legend, one who also left us all too soon and all too strangely. our conspiracy theory month continues as we take a look at the facts, the myths, and the mystery surrounding the death of marilyn monroe. marilyn monroe had it all. >> physical beauty, her figure, that smile on her face. >> she was the greatest start of the 20th century.
sean: at 36 marilyn's fascinating life came to an abrupt halt. >> she died at the peak of her career and beauty. sean: adding to the mystique was how she died which continues to be shrouded in mystery. >> people don't really want to know what actually happened to her. i think they would prefer the mystery because what really happened to her is a rather dark story. sean: august 4, 1962, marilyn had spent the day quietly at her home in brentwood, california. >> there were a series of phone calls that she received that evening, one of them was from joe dimaggio jr. who said that she was very clear minded. sean: that phone call was reported to be around 7:15 p.m. just 30 minutes later marilyn was said to have received another phone call, this time from her friend, peter lawford, a fellow actor who was married to pat kennedy, sister of jack and robert kennedy, and she
wasn't sounding quite as clear minded anymore. >> her words were slurry, she sounded extremely disturbed. according to lawford. sean: the story takes many twists and turns. >> she was found dead quite unexpectedly. found presumably by her maid. sean: marilyn's housekeeper was a woman by the name of eunice murray. >> she called two doctors, her internist and psychiatrist. they got there about 11:30 that night. it's a proven fact that marilyn monroe was dead by 11:00 p.m. that night, and yet the police weren't called until about 3:30, 4:00 in the morning, but it is strongly believed that some federal government officials, fbi and or cia were present at that house during that interval. sean: donald wolf tells another version of what could have happened. >> norman jeffries, the handy man that worked for marilyn, said he had been there that night, and he said he was in mrs. murray's room there
watching television when robert kennedy and the two men that were dressed in suits arrived at the door and told mrs. murray and norman to leave. he said they just went to the neighbor's house, and they were only about 20 minutes when they saw robert kennedy drive off with the two men and they returned to the house, they went to the guest cottage, and that's when they found marilyn comatose on the bed, and that her file cabinet had been rifled through. sean: lividity could indicate that she actually died lying on her back. a possible explanation of this could be wolf's theory, that marilyn died on her back in the guest cottage and then was moved to her bedroom inside of the house and arranged face down. >> jack clemens received the call that marilyn had died, and
he went to the address at about 4:30 in the morning. he found her body face down on the bed, her arms and legs to her side, and jack clemens knew immediately -- told me that the death scene had been rearranged. sean: the official cause of death was ruled to be acute poisoning. there was lethal doses of barbiturates. >> the amount of pills that would have been taken by her, it was a huge amount, so her death could not have been accidental. >> she would have had to have swallowed from 60 to 85 tablets according to dr. nagucci, yet when he examined her, there was
no medication in her system. >> it would seem that the chloro hydrate would have been ingested and would have made her quite cloudy, and at that point it is very easy to inject somebody. injection of the nebtol would result in a rapid death and would not result in any residue being found in her dejestive system. sean: if she was injected, who administered the shot? is it possible she was murdered? >> i believe there are too many reasons to sustain a contention that she committed suicide and that of course then leaves you with homicide. sean: many theories hint that her death somehow could be related to her ties with the kennedy family. it is speculated that the starlet had an affair with president kennedy and also possibly with his brother robert. >> it had reached the fact that marilyn monroe was too much of a potential embarrassment to the
kennedys. now, that does not necessarily mean that it was they or either of them who had her done in. it could have been just anybody, federal agency, mafia. sean: it is believed that chicago mob boss sam giancana was linked to jfk. it's believed he was recruited by the cia during the kennedy administration to help assassinate cuban dictator fidel castro. some have suggested that the mobster may have been recruited to help assassinate marilyn as well. >> she certainly had links to frank sinatra, she flknew sam, t there's no evidence that the mob did her in. sean: what really happened on the night of august 4th? >> there was obviously a cover-up of what happened to her. there were samples from the autopsy that disappeared. mrs. murray, her housekeeper, kept changing her story.
jack clemens always said that she was a murder victim. >> my god, what is the business of the cia which was involved or the fbi which was involved? and why are they still holding on to information now in 2009 in a death that occurred in 1962 that we're told was just a suicide? it doesn't make sense. sean: was the official explanation of suicide just a convenient cover? >> the coroner put down probable suicide. i have signed off on death certificates 16,000 autopsies that i've done myself. i have never seen probable suicide. that word, "probable," tells me more thanws thousand words could possibly explain about the great doubt that existed in their minds. sean: it seems we may never know the truth of what happened that fateful night, therefore, we continues to be fascinated wi